Music and Door County
Well its been an interesting year for music around the DC Peninsula. For certain there's a good deal of activity, new venues for live music springing up around us, many of them being existing taverns, restaurants etc, adding a music program to help entice people through the doors.
But where is it all leading?
I think there will be some pretty big changes in the coming season or two, particularly when more and more of the music venues have to adjust their sights and basically be able to compete with 'free' music offered around the Peninsula by organizations such as the Peg Egan center. Free music doesn't sound so bad in principle (excuse the pun), but in reality I personally feel it will have a longer term damaging effect on live music in the area. If places like the Peg Egan can pull 1000+ people to see a quality performance from the likes of Ritchie Havens and Tab Benoit, what does that leave behind for the rest of the music venue owners and program operators? Well, it isn't too clear at the moment but it doesn't feel good. To say that other places don't have music programs on a Sunday night, so how can the Peg Egan's Sunday night program impact them, is quite frankly, missing the point.
People coming to the area typically stay 4 or 5 nights, they plan their stays to take in various events and activities, one of which might be attending a live concert. Wouldn't you think they'd pick a Sunday night concert to see Ritchie Havens for free, ahead of a Thursday night program to see Eric Lewis for $10, given that they're here both nights? Also, what ultimately is achieved when a large venue like the Peg Egan can use their financial might to attract quality acts, and present them at no cost to the public? Well, it means that smaller venue owners are pushed into waiving a cover charge and in doing so need to book musicians who demand a smaller fee. This puts us on a downward spiral where the integrity and quality of our programs are negatively impacted and our reputations as music venues are downgraded. Fewer people in attendance is the harsh reality.
My prediction is that we're heading for a music scene dominated by a few larger venues, delivering quality acts at little or no cost to the public, and maybe a handful of smaller venues like the Hitching Post who'll need to downgrade the quality of their music to stay open. The many taverns/restaurants jumping on the music bandwagon will soon learn the true cost of staging a music program and in many cases realize that it wasn't all that it was made out to be.
So that's the venue owners, now what about the local musicians? We have quality musicians right here in Door County and they're probably going to have to play for less in DC, which means they may need to travel more to sustain a living. How is that going to play out in the longer term? Shouldn't we put our locals first? Why isn't there a space for more of our local musicians at the Peg Egan Center? Well if I asked that question of the organizers I'm sure I'd hear the answer that local musicians wouldn't be such a big draw so there wouldn't be the benefit to the local business community who feed off of the crowds on a Sunday night. That of course would be a BS answer (I've already heard it said). What's wrong with Seth Raddetz opening for Tab Benoit? - it's a community program isn't it?
The bottom line is that if places like the Peg Egan center are truly built on the principals of giving back to the local community, then they really need to take a close look at the impact of their operation on people who live and work here, and not just the traveling tourist. Musicians, venue owners, tavern owners are all being impacted by what they do, shouldn't a community driven performing arts center take them into account too, and I mean beyond the fast-fix influx of extra revenue that a half dozen or so business see on Sunday nights?
Stop being so bloody insular and protective! - This facility was donated to the Village, let the Village have more of a voice in how it is used.
I don't want to end this on a negative note, so here's my take on some of the more groovy goings on around Door County.
Hans Christian has a recording studio in Sturgeon Bay that can only help in putting Door County on the music map, kudos to Hans for the time and energy he puts into the local music scene.
The Hitching Post is kind of a neat place to experience raw, down and dirty local music performed by some of the area's raging talents, Seth Raddetz hosts their open mic every Thursday with his pop Mark.
Gordon Lodge continues with their outdoor music program and focuses more on the jazz genre, which frankly I find quite refreshing. They have the benefit of being a destination for good food in a nice setting, it troubles me a little that the music seems to be secondary to many of the people in attendance, but that's just a fact of life I guess.
The Holiday Motel has opened recently in Sturgeon Bay, they have a head start on the local music scene with the involvement from music legend Pat Macdonald. It will be interesting to see where that goes in the future.
Joe Joe's Pizza runs a live program through the Winter, and though I haven't been there I respect what the owner is trying to do very much.
Local bars like the AC Tap, Husby's and Mojo's do their part too, I'm never sure what the real motivation is but it's live music so you have to thank them for supporting it.
The Ladder House in Sturgeon Bay too, they house the Art of Music program through the Winter and it's good to keep music alive after the tourists have split.
I don't have a solution to the problems and I probably haven't articulated them very well either. The Peg Egan Center and the free concerts in the park are set to stay, the rest of us will have to find a way to deal with it.
CH
PS - Please comment if you have an opinion on this, I'm sure many will disagree with some or all of what I've said, but I'd like your opinion anyway!!



22 Comments:
Great, great blog.
I play in a local band and agree that it's going to be tough to get gigs with all the free stuff around.
The band Dirty Deuce have just quit DC and are heading to Texas I think...a sign of the times.
The area seems to be monpolized by a few venues and promoters. I saw a art and music gig at the Outpost 2 years ago and it bored me to tears.
Good luck with whatever you're going to do next.
Sal
Hello Sal,
Thanks for the comments. I won't ask who it was you saw here, but rest assured that a lot of the music we've had has been excellent, our mistake was not to make it more varied, with different genres, including more 'indie' style.
Check out Chris Aaron here on 10/8
Cheers
C
Are you folks having music again next year?
Steve
Are you folks having music again next year?
Thanks Steve
I saw something in the paper that C&C Supper Club in FK are closing and becoming a wine store. I don't think they had much live music but I guess that's one less, per predictions above.
Interesting post by the way. I hadn't thought that the PE might be putting a strain on other venues, but it makes sense now it's been said.
Kathy
Hi Kathy!
I heard about that from my beer distributor (C&C closing)....seems fishy to me given the heritage of that place and the limited competition....how could you make a business any more successful than it already is??
As I said in my first post, (regarding the Peg Egan)...it's here to stay and the rest of us will have to find a way!
Thanks for posting...
cheers
CH
Folks, check out the article by Melissa Ripp in the October 2nd issue of the Pulse. Melissa touches on many of the points that I made in the original post here. But I think she down-plays the true impact of the Peg Egan and how it effects smaller live music venues in DC. It isn't just having a negative impact on venues that have music programs on a Sunday night, but venues that have music any night of the week.
It's great that Melissa is tuned into the real world and is exploring how the PE and these larger venues are negatively impacting smaller and less funded music venues.
C
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boyo...I can see this picking up momentum. I know a lot of people don't like the pepac and are looking for way to shut it down. Are you one of those ?..just curious where you stand?
Tricia - village resident
The C&C is not "closing" (as in failing/going out of business). Quite simply, Al and Chris received an acceptable offer and have sold it.
Dear Tricia....absolutely not!!
What a great facility and with so much potential. My hope is that it will truly become a facility that will benefit the local community. For this to happen in a genuine way there will need to be some changes to the way it functions. One comment I've heard a number of times relating to smaller, independently owned music venues, is that they each just do their own thing without any attempt at coordination and working together. So for example, Venue A has an open mic on a Friday night, venue B down the road sees that Venue A is busy on a Friday night, so they too start an open mic on the same day without regard to the impact on venue A, who got there first.
In some regards that's how the PE has planted itself into the area. Little or no regard for the other venues that have been around for ever, and with the almighty dollar at their disposal, they are able to saturate the area with marketing and offer a free admission.
What about a bit more of a "community" approach to doing business? If it's truly a venue donated for the community, why not consider its real impact and look into a strategy that makes it less hurtful to other venues. Most of us do not have the benefit of "not for profit" status, we have to try and make a living the conventional way.
Thanks also to the poster commenting on C&C, I'll miss Mike and Chad!
Carl
Oops...sorry, that should read "I'll miss Mike and Shad".
C
I now understand it will continue as a tavern, with a menu incorporating selections from Shipwrecked and some items with a bit more flair, presumably from Bistro 42.
I understand the Bistro 42 in Carlsville may be converted into a distillery! - Interesting, WI recently changed the laws regarding distilleries/wineries and it seems the owners of Door Peninsula Winery (who own shipwrecked and now C&C), may be the first to capitalize on the revised State laws.
Exciting times ahead!
but wait....it's still a moving target apparently! The 'prospective' new owners are awaiting planning permission before completing the purchase, and I also heard a rumor that the distillery may be at the Ray's Cherry Hut location and not at Bistro 42.
Well I suppose we should just sit back and shut up until it's all decided! (at least I should).
Cheers
Oops....appear to have wandered off-topic.
Heard a rumor about big changes at the peg egan in Egg Harbor for 2010. Anyone know what's going on??
Ben
Hey Ben,
Yes, I heard they're dropping the muppet show and having like a Woodstock theme or something LOL.
Reg
http://popwatch.ew.com/2009/06/24/quote-of-the-day-the-muppet-show-edition/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQYDvQ1HH-E
If any of the venues in D.C had the Muppets or a version of Woodstock...I would not miss it!
The muppets were in Door County! - I missed that one lol.
Thanks for the vid links, Joe Cocker from 69 was great!
Wouldn't be cool to have a Woodstock tribute festival at the PE or somewhere. Imagine the neighbors faces..
Still a cool idea though....hmmm..
I see the DCA is going under, yet another reference to the damaging nature of these free venues and concerts in the park....what about a post on the DCA?
Hello Anon Nov 16 8.51
I guess we shouldn't say things like "going under" when, to the best of my knowledge, that has not been announced. My understanding is that the management team have been let go and replacements are being sought. I guess I read the same article as you in the local press, and naturally was disturbed to read of another venue struggling in the shadow of those that that are able to offer quality/free music.
It's been amusing to read some of the posts and personal emails from people who seem not to want to believe that the PE and Concerts in the Park are affecting some of the local music venues negatively. I guess people, regardless of how smart they might be, still like to find a warm place to park their heads in the Winter.
Good luck to the staff of old, present and new.
CH
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